Modding/Watercooling Question

So im gonna start a case mod with in the next few months wish i was coming to pdxlan but maybe i can after i finish the build,

My question is which well probably something i could just google but wanted to ask here.

Figuring that premixed coolant aint gonna freeze if it is below freezing, Will it 1 cause condensation on the outside of a res and if at what temp the water would have to be to do so. Either if it was in a acrylic or maybe possibly a metal res, 2 What kind of trouble would it cause to a metal res or if its not much of a good idea. Also what kind of a premixed coolant could i get or possibly a distilled water additive that i could use to be none conductive/corrosive and can handle being at no lower then 30 degrees. Also last question i swear, And would a pump handle that cold of liquid going through it? And if i can submerse the pump in coolant. Possibly a suggestion on a pump to use? Been looking at what danger den offers but not sure as to what i would need.

Also i will be looking around for some old, dusty maybe waterblocks if anyone has one sitting around needing a AM2/AM2+ socket, Since i aint got the cash to upgrade will do the build with my old hardware.

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Reapr1190 wrote:

So im gonna start a case mod with in the next few months wish i was coming to pdxlan but maybe i can after i finish the build,

My question is which well probably something i could just google but wanted to ask here.

Figuring that premixed coolant aint gonna freeze if it is below freezing, Will it 1 cause condensation on the outside of a res and if at what temp the water would have to be to do so. Either if it was in a acrylic or maybe possibly a metal res, 2 What kind of trouble would it cause to a metal res or if its not much of a good idea. Also what kind of a premixed coolant could i get or possibly a distilled water additive that i could use to be none conductive/corrosive and can handle being at no lower then 30 degrees. Also last question i swear, And would a pump handle that cold of liquid going through it? And if i can submerse the pump in coolant. Possibly a suggestion on a pump to use? Been looking at what danger den offers but not sure as to what i would need.

Also i will be looking around for some old, dusty maybe waterblocks if anyone has one sitting around needing a AM2/AM2+ socket, Since i aint got the cash to upgrade will do the build with my old hardware.

contact V2-V3 (Travis Jank) as he knows more about low temp cooling than anyone else on these forums I will point him to this thread

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DarthBeavis wrote:

contact V2-V3 (Travis Jank) as he knows more about low temp cooling than anyone else on these forums I will point him to this thread

That would be much appreciated if you could point him this way, Or possibly PM me some contact info i could get a hold of him with possibly.

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I feel it's worth pointing out that premixed coolants are mostly water anyway so I wouldn't rely on them to do anything that water won't. For example, never count on them to be totally non-conductive as it has been demonstrated on several occasions that the water in them can still dissolve available solids and ionize.

As to condensation, any surface which is cooler than the ambient air around it can collect condensation. The only proven solution is insulation.

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xeromist wrote:

I feel it's worth pointing out that premixed coolants are mostly water anyway so I wouldn't rely on them to do anything that water won't. For example, never count on them to be totally non-conductive as it has been demonstrated on several occasions that the water in them can still dissolve available solids and ionize.

As to condensation, any surface which is cooler than the ambient air around it can collect condensation. The only proven solution is insulation.

Yeah i had just talked to Travis, So looks like i will be going to 100% glycol stuffs and insulating it, Which wont be much of an issue really.

Plus thanks to those that do input, Much appreciated since im a newbie at all this fancy cooling stuffs.
Hope everyone look's forward to what im gonna tackle as my first computer case mod, I sure would love to see what everyone will think about it. More like a scratch build. Will be fun and cool to do. I will start a log in the next month.

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Pumping pure glycol is slightly harder than water so depending on your application you should make sure to keep that in mind. Unless you have an application with a lot of restriction on the pump it really shouldn't be much of a problem. This also depends on the pump as some do not care if there is restriction while purely mechanical pumps can actually burn out if stressed too much.

BTW, if you are looking at doing a submersion system of any kind then you may want to look at mineral oil (horse laxative is a source for pure mineral oil). This is what almost everyone uses for mods that entail submersion of actual components.

If you decide to stick with glycol, make sure you know what kind you are looking at: Ethylene vs Propylene. Propylene is much less toxic.

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xeromist wrote:

If you decide to stick with glycol, make sure you know what kind you are looking at: Ethylene vs Propylene. Propylene is much less toxic.

From what i talked to travis about i will be of course using propylene gylcol, And i see where your coming from. Travis said that it was best to use the D5 pumps with the glycol for extended uses, Now what would be better of the two the variable or fixed speed, Not sure but doing alot of research to figure out, Not sure it will matter much in difference but rather being able to control the flow speed i think if im not mistaken.

I don't plan to do a submersion system i was curious as to if i could submerse a pump into a resevoir to cut down on real-estate used up on the case giving more space. But for what im doing i wont have the issue with that.

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