Am I the only gamer "against" this?!

http://www.change.org/petition.....ayer-patch

So here's my two cents...

1. People steal!

A lot of people will say that they *cough* want to be able to play offline at LAN's that don't have internet (is there such a thing)? But really, how often are you gaming 'without' being on the internet? Also, the amount of people that do 'not' have the internet is lower and lower, why would Blizzard risk higher piracy levels for such a few playerbase?

2. Blizzard needs money!

Every game Blizzard makes is a top seller, for a reason! These guys know what the heck they are doing when it comes to creating games, they don't have many to offer, but the ones they 'do' offer dominate the market. How much money do you think they would lose if they made games like Diablo III able to be played offline. People would crack the heck out of the game, and money would be lost. Money lost means less revenue to make these top selling games for us to enjoy!

Final thoughts:

Stop complaining that there's no offline play and get the internet!

/rant

PS Sorry, I usually don't post things like this.... It just seems like the gamer community crying over silliness.

PSS, what are you guys' (and gals) thoughts on this, I'm really interested in legit reasons Blizzard should make offline play available...

I agree, no single player mode puts a big halt on duping by a large margin. I understand why people want to have offline mode. But also people would just steal the game like they do with any single player offline game. I'm with you here.

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This (online only) is Activision's move....not Blizzard.

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I have a friend that is currently on Prince of Wales Island in Alaska, where the nearest population over 500 is more than 4 hours away, and he is able to play d3 from the terrible satellite connection his camp has (he's a cook for a mining crew). He's essentially getting dialup speeds, but can play.

As long as I actually have the ability to play single player (which is possible by turning off quick join and forcing people to ask to join rather than just come in), I'm good. If I'm in a place where I really don't have internet for an extended period of time, it's most likely because I'm doing other, more important things, or some other form of enjoyment.

as of the census in 2009, 90% of the US had access to broadband internet service. That number is undoubtedly higher now.

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Server issues preventing me from playing my single player game, along with INTERNET/SERVER LAG in my single player game make me rage.

I have more or less given up on playing Diablo until smurf is resolved which makes me sad. I wish there was an offline mode.

Why cant people adopt more non invasive stuff like steam?

smurf that petition though. That guy needs to learn how to use spellcheck.

Syn wrote:

what are you guys' (and gals) thoughts on this, I'm really interested in legit reasons Blizzard should make offline play available...

Adding system requirements not actually needed for gameplay deliberately and callously marginalizes some of your (potential) customers for no better reason than being less fortunate. That is an ugly attitude to me. I agree that it makes perfect sense from a sociopathic business perspective but as a human that believes respect should be reciprocal it is more than enough reason to take my money off the table and ask others to do the same.

The people this hurts? Deployed military, people in areas with limited internet provider options, people who travel for a living and need to unwind. Wow, way to be Blizzard, way to be.

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Syn wrote:

what are you guys' (and gals) thoughts on this, I'm really interested in legit reasons Blizzard should make offline play available...

Adding system requirements not actually needed for gameplay deliberately and callously marginalizes some of your (potential) customers for no better reason than being less fortunate. That is an ugly attitude to me. I agree that it makes perfect sense from a sociopathic business perspective but as a human that believes respect should be reciprocal it is more than enough reason to take my money off the table and ask others to do the same.

The people this hurts? Deployed military, people in areas with limited internet provider options, people who travel for a living and need to unwind. Wow, way to be Blizzard, way to be.

I have several deployed military that are max level and working their way through inferno...Limited internet is kind of a thing of the past whether you want to think so or not...Traveling doesn't prevent you from playing games online, I used to drive on average 1200miles a week never once did this stop me from finding the ability to play online games with little to no latency issues...

That being said if they could find a way to completely separate the two games where single player was only single player and could never be interfaced with the multiplayer aspect I wouldn't have a problem with allowing it offline, but with everything becoming more and more interconnected this isn't a good hope to have and certainly would detract from the point of the game being social whether single player or not.

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Anime-Wh0re wrote:

I have several deployed military that are max level and working their way through inferno.

Lucky them. There were times during my brother's deployment when he wasn't so lucky. And that was the Army. From what I've heard the squids often have very limited options for months at a time.

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Traveling doesn't prevent you from playing games online, I used to drive on average 1200miles a week never once did this stop me from finding the ability to play online games with little to no latency issues.

Again, lucky you...my experience tells me otherwise. I took a business trip to San Diego last year and stayed in a name brand hotel. The provided internet service was so crappy that I could barely read my email. I was better off tethering to my phone but that wasn't enough to play online games. I played Torchlight, ironically enough. Perhaps my experience is not the norm but it certainly proves that limited internet is NOT a thing of the past.

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There are plenty of games that "require" an internet connection to play that have been cracked anyway...I think eventually there will be a crack for it so you might as well not punish those who bought it and might not have internet at times.

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There is already a crack for D3, allowing you to play offline. So... what did they gain by requiring an internet connection? 7 days? 8?

CyberCrist wrote:

There is already a crack for D3, allowing you to play offline. So... what did they gain by requiring an internet connection? 7 days? 8?

exactly

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I typically don't crack games. (bad experience with a cd crack for bf1942 so i didn't have to bring my disk to every lan and risk it getting swiped)

And I live in a rural area with crappy internet. Oh, I can get 10 Mb..... when it is working. but it will cut out about 100 times a night for 10-20 seconds dumping me from whatever online game I am playing. So Diablo 3 does not have a customer in me.......

Which is why I will be buying torchlight 2 Smile

CG || Piso_mojado wrote:

I typically don't crack games. (bad experience with a cd crack for bf1942 so i didn't have to bring my disk to every lan and risk it getting swiped)

And I live in a rural area with crappy internet. Oh, I can get 10 Mb..... when it is working. but it will cut out about 100 times a night for 10-20 seconds dumping me from whatever online game I am playing. So Diablo 3 does not have a customer in me.......

Which is why I will be buying torchlight 2 Smile

well then it sounds like online games as a whole aren't really an option for you. Not just D3.

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My big issue with the people that are complaining about games these days not just D3 is that we all know well before hand what we are all getting into. With D3 we all knew that we were going to have to be online to play the game. It wasn't any hidden agenda from Blizzard. Yes it might suck that some people can not play the game, but that is a very small segment of the world population. Companies are in business to make money, and are trying to reach the vast majority for the most part.

Now as for the lag and server issues I can only speak from my personal experience. I have a great connection and I usually play D3 with my friends that live in Sweden and Croatia and I have never once experienced any lag. Now if I can play with someone that is that far away with no issues it leads me to question what types of issues other people are having. Is it that you are playing with a connection that is not up to snuff, or maybe spread to thin due to mass computers running off of one connection?

Now this is not aimed at anybody. These are my own opinions so please take them with a grain of salt.

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gijoe101st wrote:

With D3 we all knew that we were going to have to be online to play the game.

Unfortunately that's not the case. Everyone *should* keep themselves informed but I've run into several gamers that didn't know about the always on requirement for D3. I'm not excusing them, just pointing out that some people didn't get the memo.

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Diablo 3 being online only is complete BS. If you believe otherwise you are just arguing against yourself.

Not only does this set a dangerous precedent by showing every other company its OK to do this, but there is absolutely NO REASON for this other than Activison/Blizzard being complete money grubbing communists.

I LAUGH at the people who say they know "people in the military" and such who play on horrible connections just fine. Because nobody tried actually playing it themselves so you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

I tried playing on my parents DSL line when I visited them and playing BY MYSELF the game had horrible latency/rubber banding.

And to people saying "it prevents duping/hacking"...that could be easily fixed in non-stupid ways. Look at Dungeon Defenders, there are offline and online characters. It works just fine.

They are not preventing piracy AT ALL and are actually PROMOTING it by hobbling the game and pissing off their PAYING customers with things like long server downtime and bad connections making the game unplayable.

Its horrible EA DRM all over again to the tenth power.

This is like pretending that Blizzard is the first company to ever do an online only game.

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Jaden wrote:

They are not preventing piracy AT ALL and are actually PROMOTING it by hobbling the game and pissing off their PAYING customers with things like long server downtime and bad connections making the game unplayable.

I definitely agree with this, it's not cool to hurt those who actually DO buy the game...I vastly prefer to torrent movies because it's more convenient in every way, i'm guaranteed the quality of the download I get, and I don't have to sit through a million previews and menus and whatnot (talk about a first world problem).

If you don't know about what Louis CK did it's worth looking it up (and also he's hilarious). Short version is he filmed and produced his own stand up himself instead of going through a big name media producer and EVERYONE won, it was $5 with no DRM crap for a high quality .mp4 and he made over $1M in under 2 weeks which is waaaay more than he'd make if HBO or w/e paid him to sell his standup for $20 with a bunch of previews for other crap they're trying to sell.

As an aside, I often I crack games I own because I'm too lazy to find the disc, or I lose it. I think having to have the disc in to play is just annoying but I just don't like optical drives because I always own crappy ones I guess.

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See you all are spoiled with Steam. Yes I love Steam just as much as the next person, but you do have to remember that all most every game used to have a disc that was required to stay in the computer every time you wanted to use it. This isn't anything new.

As for games requiring online connections people act like this hasn't been going down this road for the past five or so years. It is just very convenient to blame the big game producer. Yes they are trying to make money, but that doesn't make them a bad company seeing that we live in a capitalist country.

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Jaden wrote:

Diablo 3 being online only is complete BS. If you believe otherwise you are just arguing against yourself.

No, I'm arguing against you. I'm old enough and wise enough to know the difference.

Jaden wrote:

Not only does this set a dangerous precedent by showing every other company its OK to do this, but there is absolutely NO REASON for this other than Activison/Blizzard being complete money grubbing communists.

The entire world is heading "online". There is no stopping it. If you believe that buying games which are only available offline, you're in for a rough 25 years of gaming.

Jaden wrote:

I LAUGH at the people who say they know "people in the military" and such who play on horrible connections just fine. Because nobody tried actually playing it themselves so you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

I tried playing on my parents DSL line when I visited them and playing BY MYSELF the game had horrible latency/rubber banding.

No, I laugh at you because you refuse to trust in your fellow man.

Jaden wrote:

They are not preventing piracy AT ALL and are actually PROMOTING it by hobbling the game and pissing off their PAYING customers with things like long server downtime and bad connections making the game unplayable.

I agree with you, that they are not preventing it, they are, however, delaying it. If they delay it, and sell an extra 100,000 copies within that delayed period, they are affecting the bottom line. ...and the bottom line rules all in the world of business.

If you want a game, with no DRM, then by all means, put your team together, get your funding and make it happen. If you want a say in the way a game is made, then pony up the money and become a share holder. You then have a voice. Of course, your tune might be different once you know it's YOUR money you are playing with.