Which Current Console is best?

Magnetar wrote:

At a couple small lans I have been to my PS3 and a buddies Xbox360 look the same with games like Fight Night and Madden we could not see a difference that stood out at 480 or 720.

There are articles around the net that show the same scenes on both systems. Pretty much every game, besides Oblivion, looks better on the 360.

Given some time, the PS3 graphics should start to improve. I honestly don't want to see one better than the other. I think cross-platform games should look exactly the same and play the same on both systems.

Which console is "best" should boil down to which one has the games that you want to play. For me it's without a doubt the 360. I like Shooters and Western RPGs. Those are the two categories that the 360 dominates. Gears of War and Mass Effect are the top of these categories. I also LOVE LOVE LOVE Xbox Live and the Live Arcade. The only games that I'm really interested in on the PS3 are Resistance and MGS. I just want to play through the Resistance story and will prolly do that when Dole gets a PS3 and we do co-op. I never did finish the last MGS game, so I don't HAVE to play the new one coming out.

We're in a bit of a lull with 360 games at the moment though. But that's ok, it gives me time to go back and play the ones that I've missed: Tomb Raider, Ultimate Alliance, Hitman, King Kong, Kameo and a few othes. By the time I finish all these Mass Effect will be out and dominating all my time.

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Yeah its interesting right now.

Xbox360 has more games
PS3 has more HD Movies
Xbox360 has the mediacenter connectivity while PS3's is under dev still
PS3 has Final Fantasy
360 has Halo3

Its so back and forth that its all preference right now. Price is even similar now if you want the similar hardware features (360 elite and a HD DVD is around the price of the 60gb PS3)

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[LG]Zlog wrote:

Yeah its interesting right now.

Xbox360 has more games
PS3 has more HD Movies
Xbox360 has the mediacenter connectivity while PS3's is under dev still
PS3 has Final Fantasy
360 has Halo3

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Redotonur4head wrote:

[LG]Zlog wrote:

Yeah its interesting right now.

Xbox360 has more games
PS3 has more HD Movies
Xbox360 has the mediacenter connectivity while PS3's is under dev still
PS3 has Final Fantasy
360 has Halo3

Which means nothing to me, since im not a fan of the series. I like how you emphazied my statement and made it from nuetral to biased though. Laughing

PS3 also has Folding@home capable does the 360?

(Just found it under the Network menu hehe)

[LG]Zlog wrote:

Redotonur4head wrote:

[LG]Zlog wrote:

Yeah its interesting right now.

Xbox360 has more games
PS3 has more HD Movies
Xbox360 has the mediacenter connectivity while PS3's is under dev still
PS3 has Final Fantasy
360 has Halo3

Which means nothing to me, since im not a fan of the series. I like how you emphazied my statement and made it from nuetral to biased though.

Heh, sorry. It just seems to be the one thing that stands out on your list. HD movies on consoles are good, but the long download times and high rental prices make them novelties not everyday things like games. Final Fantasy is great, but Halo 3 is the most highly anticipated game for any console right now (taking the place of Halo 2, and possibly Gears of War; both 360 titles).

I'm just saying that your list favors the 360 a lot more than the PS3. I think you should have included Resistance, as I believe its better than Gears of War and lacks only the strong multiplayer fan base found on Xbox Live.

I wasn't referring to HD Downloads, as they are rarely over 720p. Blueray is going to pass up HD DVD this month (if they havn't already) in number of HD Titles they have released.

I am 100% addicted to HD content. The Planet Earth Series on Discovery HD has been my most enjoyed program in years. Superman on Blueray was jaw-dropping, in fact all the HD bluray movies and even some of the professionaly upscaled and remastered movies are just amazing.

I want 1080p. Not 1080i, not 720p, and god forbid anything lower. Right now PS3 is the only console that can match the display technology that is available. (I understand that games are all at 1080p yet though, but the capability is present).

Does anyone have confirmation (e.g. official statements) that 360 Elite is going to be capable of 1080p?

I havn't played Resistance yet Sad

But i definatly should have put it on there.

I wasn't attempting to favor i was just pointing out that almost literally right now the PS3 strongpoints are the 360's weak ones. I'm very curious about the 360 Elite though Smile

All 360s are already capable of 1080P...

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[LG]Zlog wrote:

I wasn't referring to HD Downloads, as they are rarely over 720p. Blueray is going to pass up HD DVD this month (if they havn't already) in number of HD Titles they have released.

I am 100% addicted to HD content. The Planet Earth Series on Discovery HD has been my most enjoyed program in years. Superman on Blueray was jaw-dropping, in fact all the HD bluray movies and even some of the professionaly upscaled and remastered movies are just amazing.

I want 1080p. Not 1080i, not 720p, and god forbid anything lower. Right now PS3 is the only console that can match the display technology that is available. (I understand that games are all at 1080p yet though, but the capability is present).

Does anyone have confirmation (e.g. official statements) that 360 Elite is going to be capable of 1080p?

I havn't played Resistance yet Sad

But i definatly should have put it on there.

I wasn't attempting to favor i was just pointing out that almost literally right now the PS3 strongpoints are the 360's weak ones. I'm very curious about the 360 Elite though Smile

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't have twisted your words. I misunderstood you too I believe, because I thought you were talking about HD Downloads not HD content in general Razz

. Blu-Ray is definitely one of the PS3's strongpoints (at least I hope it is...its the reason it cost SO MUCH...lol).

But yeah, the Xbox 360: Elite will support 1080p (isn't that the whole point of HDMI?). And to the person above me, no, I dont think that all Xbox 360s are capable of 1080p, I think right now its just 1080i Confused

. Not that it dosnt look crips anyway. I was playing on my friends 27" Insignia HDTV and it looked amazing in just 720p (i?).

Redotonur4head wrote:

[LG]Zlog wrote:

I wasn't referring to HD Downloads, as they are rarely over 720p. Blueray is going to pass up HD DVD this month (if they havn't already) in number of HD Titles they have released.

I am 100% addicted to HD content. The Planet Earth Series on Discovery HD has been my most enjoyed program in years. Superman on Blueray was jaw-dropping, in fact all the HD bluray movies and even some of the professionaly upscaled and remastered movies are just amazing.

I want 1080p. Not 1080i, not 720p, and god forbid anything lower. Right now PS3 is the only console that can match the display technology that is available. (I understand that games are all at 1080p yet though, but the capability is present).

Does anyone have confirmation (e.g. official statements) that 360 Elite is going to be capable of 1080p?

I havn't played Resistance yet Sad

But i definatly should have put it on there.

I wasn't attempting to favor i was just pointing out that almost literally right now the PS3 strongpoints are the 360's weak ones. I'm very curious about the 360 Elite though Smile

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't have twisted your words. I misunderstood you too I believe, because I thought you were talking about HD Downloads not HD content in general Razz

. Blu-Ray is definitely one of the PS3's strongpoints (at least I hope it is...its the reason it cost SO MUCH...lol).

But yeah, the Xbox 360: Elite will support 1080p (isn't that the whole point of HDMI?). And to the person above me, no, I dont think that all Xbox 360s are capable of 1080p, I think right now its just 1080i Confused

. Not that it dosnt look crips anyway. I was playing on my friends 27" Insignia HDTV and it looked amazing in just 720p (i?).

Yes, they ALL can do 1080P...

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The only console I have ever touched was the Game Cube. It's the only console that all 3 Resident Evils were remade on. Plus they made 2 new ones. (fuc king sick game if you ask me)
But they do run on a Wii too.

Wii & Xbox360 all they way though.

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I commend Zlog on being amazingly non-bias and extremely open-minded, while being respectful of other people's opinions and responding to them kindly.

On topic: So far, I like Wii the most ^^

Although...So far...I've only played the Wii Very Happy

You cannot output 1080p through component video to any TV i know of. Even the JVC LCOS top out at 720p with an upscaling feature to 1080i. but not p. The whole idea behind getting away from components and using DVI or HDMI was avoiding video compression altogether.

"Microsoft mandated that all games on the Xbox 360 be designed with 720p as the reference resolution. In fact, the Xbox 360 renders everything internally at 720p, regardless of what kind of video resolution you use. However, the system will scale the video to the necessary video format. Component video uses three wires to pass the video signal into the television display, and allows for higher resolutions like 480p, 720p, and 1080i."
Source: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139690/p-2.html

That is what i had read in the past on other sites as well regarding the 360, that its default is 720p regardless of game/tv/cable and that it is then scaled to your display. 1080i over component (analogue) is very prone to image degradation though, however MS did good and used quality cables. HDMI 1080i/p is a digital uncompressed signal though and looks slightly less grainy and has truer-to-life colors.

TS28, thanks Very Happy

I <3 all of these new systems and the people who fanboy over one console really just deprive themselves of great games that are available on other systems.

I will admit my bias towards Sony though. Their PSP and PS3 link has a lot of potential. I really dig the idea of being able to use a PS3 like a DVR (its in the works) and then watch whatever i record over 802.11g wifi on my PSP anywhere in my home, OR copy it over to my memorystick and watch episodes of my fav shows on the go Smile

Sony is also looking at eventually having portable versions of any movie you buy in the bluray format that could be just sent to the PSP or other compatible player. So you buy a bluray movie and you essentially get the PSP version bundled with it.

EDIT: I did some digging around on the 360 elite. I was a bit dishearted to see they are using HDMI 1.2 rather then 1.3. This means no Dolby TrueHD or HD-DTS, which means that you still might end up getting a real HD-DVD player some day. Not only that, the HDMI output will default to 1080p, which means your TV will either downscale it (which will cause video lag) or wont show a picture at all. I hope the Inq is mistaken.
Source: http://www.theinquirer.net/def.....icle=38648

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[LG]Zlog wrote:

You cannot output 1080p through component video to any TV i know of. Even the JVC LCOS top out at 720p with an upscaling feature to 1080i. but not p. The whole idea behind getting away from components and using DVI or HDMI was avoiding video compression altogether.

Wrong. The whole idea with DVI/HDMI is to use digital signaling on the cables, which avoids degradation due to sampling errors with displays that are natively digital (ie LCD/DLP are inherently digital and you avoid DAC and ADC). They've also been taking advantage of the digital signals to encrypt the data. CRTs OTOH are analog and so gain no benefit from DVI/HDMI (well, those do make better use of the bandwidth than YCbCr over component).

Zlog: You CAN do 1080P over component and some TVs do accept it. If it doesn't work for you then that's an issue with your TV and not the 360.

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My TV maxes at 1080i (shudder/laugh/cry).

However, I've read (and just linked to) articles saying that the 360 does not output 1080p through component video cable. The advertising for the Elite is using "woot NOW you can do 1080p!" as one of their pitches.

All samsung TVs have a Video format option that tells you the resolution and aspect ratio of the image you are displaying. Does anyone have a 1080p TV with that feature and a 360 that can kill off this debate on the 360 (non elite) being able to output a 1080p signal without a TV or other component upscaling it?

@Ehem, Correct, i chose the wrong words. Im my mind i view analogue as a lower quality signal so converting digital to analogue and compressing it to analogue were the same thing when i posted that, although in actuality they are not always if the same resolution is maintained.

EDIT: If the xbox 360 outputs 1080p, why would their own website tell you that 1080i is fine and that 1080p isn't any better?
"No actual information is lost—the entire normal film frame is still present, it has just been transferred to the display with 12 repeated fields. A modern display can remove those 12 fields and recover the original 24 FPS signal. In other words, with a proper display, a 1080i picture will look identical to a 1080p picture when you begin with film material source like that from HD DVD."
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hard.....utions.htm

This IS true if you put it in context: If you have a video source recorded at 1080i you will not gain anything by displaying it on a 1080p display.

It isn't until the very last paragraph or two that the article mentions 1080p and that it is superior if you have a 1080p video source. Most people wont read that far down.

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I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand. The Xbox 360 can output a 1080P signal. It can upscale 720P games to 1080P and it can output the video from native 1080P games. What about this do you not get? It's in plain text, easy to read and easy to understand. I don't know how to make this any clearer.

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If you are referring to their software update that added buggy 1080 output through VGA or component to the limited number of TV sets that support it, then sure, but most TVs will not display a 1080 signal over component or VGA, so a lot of people are still out of luck.

They wouldn't be coming out with an HDMI 360 if they were good with what they have. (Thats really all you get, oh and its black, and filled with 60GB+ of crappy videoes and music that you'll have to delete... one...at...a...time...)

Also, for future reference, try to not be such a condescending [smurf]. I've been polite through this entire thread and it'd be neat if you could do the same. Thanks.

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[LG]Zlog wrote:

If you are referring to their software update that added buggy 1080 output through VGA or component to the limited number of TV sets that support it, then sure, but most TVs will not display a 1080 signal over component or VGA, so a lot of people are still out of luck.

They wouldn't be coming out with an HDMI 360 if they were good with what they have. (Thats really all you get, oh and its black, and filled with 60GB+ of crappy videoes and music that you'll have to delete... one...at...a...time...)

Also, for future reference, try to not be such a condescending [smurf]. I've been polite through this entire thread and it'd be neat if you could do the same. Thanks.

I've posted FOUR times in this thread that you can output 1080P from the 360. I've also posted that if your TV cannot accept that signal then that's an issue with your TV and not the console. Yet you still posted this:

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However, I've read (and just linked to) articles saying that the 360 does not output 1080p through component video cable. The advertising for the Elite is using "woot NOW you can do 1080p!" as one of their pitches.

It's not my fault that you lack reading comprehension or the ability to use Google:

http://www.google.com/search?q=xbox+360+1080p

Here it is straight from Microsoft's mouth:

Quote:

IGN: Will games begin to be developed with 1080p as the native resolution, or is the 360's new 1080p support an advance in the console's internal scaling abilities?

Microsoft: If developed, the Xbox 360 will support playback of native 1080p games and all existing Xbox 360 titles can be up-scaled to 1080p.

IGN : Does the Xbox 360 have the internal bandwidth between CPUs and graphics processors necessary to move a full 1080p image? There's a big difference between 1080i and the 3GB/s of 1080p.

Microsoft: *updated* Yes, the Xbox 360 has the necessary internal bandwidth between CPUs and graphics processors to move a full 1080p image.

IGN: There are very few 1080p native HDTVs that accept 1080p via Component connections. The signal will only come in as 1080i and be de-interlaced back to 1080p. How is the 360's new 1080p support, in practical application, going to be any different than what was already possible?

Microsoft: We can offer 1080p support through both the VGA connection and the Component connection.

I'm being condescending because having to repeat myself FOUR times gets rather annoying.

Also, do not call people names or swear in the forums.

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I got 1080p loveo outta meh 360 . . . LA LA LA LA LA LA LA . . .happy dance happy dance . . .well, that is an Elite connected to my Sony TV which is 1080p native . . .now, check this out. Some nice fella sold me his Wii setup. Gonna get either one of those shiney new but not yet released Denon or Onkyo receivers (HDMI 1.3) in the next few months that will upscale the Wii to 1080p and output via HDMI . . .

Stiffy, remember u are invited to UFC night bud.